China Brings Back the Broadside
January 29, 2010
So, is this a viable way to deploy artillery at sea?
Source: China-Defence
I see no problem with it under the right conditions.
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west_rhino,
Mike,
A better example would be USS Carronade (IFS-1/LFR-1).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Carronade
Bring it on West!
LCM(R) anyone?
This is from back around 2003. The images and story ran then and this is hardly a new concept since WWII.
As far as the M270 MLRS, we tried it to see how the USN/USMC might like rockets from landing ships. We tested it (with a TACMs missile) off of the Mount Vernon back in 1995, as I described a while ago.
Of course, there were some modifications made to the guidance system, but as long as we’re modifying the new ships to resist the high temperature launches of V-22s and F-35Bs, the high temperatures of the rockets shouldn’t be much of a problem. ;)
The original China Defense article is very good:
http://www.china-defense.com/oped/armed_cargo_ships/armed_cargo_ships01.html
PGK fuzes or Excaliburs might permit longer range shots, but I imagine seas will still have to be pretty calm to hit anything much beyond the beach.
Chain down the Army’s MLRS.
“Boy do we have a surprise for those Somali pirates.”
Hello,
the Chinese hhave got this al wrong,what they really need is a great big aircraft carrier:
http://www.commandogunner.co.uk/145ONSHIP.JPG
tangosix.
What kind of ship is this? An LST?
Just thought it interesting. Can you imagine a Third World nation or priates with all these ex-Soviet tanks creating an instant battleship out of a barge or freighter! Curious.
“How much stability can this platform provide to insure accurate fire? It is a sitting duck to most any countermeasure from forces above insurgents limited to small arms. It looks like a Hollywood improvisation in a Chuck Norris movie.”
This reminded. In Vietnam the riverine force mounted howitzers onto barges (or landing craft.) They were tethered and used more for direct fire against bunkers in river banks.
Mike,
“Breaking News Link” is refusing to allow me to post anything new. I’ve tried several times and when I attempted a second, duplicate posting then I was informed that the post was already present. Only, nothing I’ve attempted to post is showing in the News thread (certainly not the first attempt). Something would seem to be broken with WordPress.
If they Chinese uses a stabilized system on their tanks and artillery, i.e., they are able to fire while mobile as in Western tanks, then it is feasible. Range would be short, hence my reference to a “broadside”.
How much stability can this platform provide to insure accurate fire? It is a sitting duck to most any countermeasure from forces above insurgents limited to small arms. It looks like a Hollywood improvisation in a Chuck Norris movie.
X,
Yeah, Wikipedia and other sources have some info on that attempt to mount a land-based tube artillery system on a naval warship.
F124 Sachsen class frigates: Guns
The German F124 class frigates are equipped with an Oto Melara 76mm gun, and two Rheinmetall MLG 27 remote controlled autocannons.
A KMW PzH 2000 howitzer turret with a 155mm gun has been mounted on the deck of FGS Hamburg (F220) as a demonstration of the feasibility of the system for naval applications. The concept is called MONARC and requires a flexible elastic mounting. MONARC has a range of 22nm. Live fire trials were conducted in September 2003.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsen_class_frigate
PzH 2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PzH_2000
There’s a picture of that weapon mounted aboard F220 Hamburg at this URL:
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_61-52_MONARC.htm
There was some possibility that the F125 class of frigates currently being designed would use MONARC. However, an article in the April 2007 issue of MarineForum said that adapting all of the equipment in the PzH 2000 turret for the corrosive naval environment proved more difficult than expected and that it appears that MONARC has been dropped from the F125 plans. A press release by Finmeccanica dated 04 April 2007 announced that OTO Melara had been awarded a contract to arm the F125 class with the more conventional OTO-Melara 127 mm LW mounting. This announcement would seem to signal the end of the MONARC program.
Recently the Germans retro-fitted one of their frigates with a turret from one of their SP guns.
Wow this would be a great idea for the LCS. Those huge flight decks provide plenty of space for additional armament lol. Maybe when LCS-1 deploys they could mount a few Humvee TOW vehicles.
We did it during WWII, including AAA. Remember hearing of a merchant ship that fought off a sub this way.