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August 13, 2010
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Camo-Hornet

US Navy

Former enemies US, Vietnam now military mates.

What’s New About the AirSea Battle Concept?

Amphib, helos join Pakistan flood relief effort.

DDG-1000: The inkblot destroyer.

Army to Get Its Own High-Speed Transport Ship.

Opinion: The Carrier Killer?

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Warships of the World

Russian missile cruiser to visit India.

Aging Canadian ships may be banned from foreign ports.

Crew shortages curb Aussie sub deployments.

Landmark reached in construction of UK supercarriers.

Opinion: When Will The Government Properly Fund The Royal Navy?

Iran Navy Equipped With Four New Submarines. More.

Iran To Arm Own ‘Bladerunner’ Boats: Commander.

12 torpedo cruisers join IRGC Navy.

Chinese Warships Tour the Mediterranean.

Indian Hovercraft Fleet Triples.

Indian warships to exercise with Brazil, S Africa.

Japan Wants More Subs.

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New Wars at Sea

Tamil ship escorted into B.C. waters by Canadian Navy.

UAE: Japan tanker was damaged in a terror attack.

North Korea Seizes South Korean Fishing Boat.

North Korea fires artillery rounds in Yellow Sea.

UK blocks sanctions against suspected Somali pirates.

Helicopter from US warship disrupts pirate attack.

Anti-pirate patrols make progress.

Puntland security forces apprehend more pirates.

Cruise Ships at risk off Thailand.

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From the Navy Vaults

Scientists to turn Hunley upright. (Charleston The Post and Courier)

The lying art of historical fiction. (Guardian Books Blog)

Fighter jets are turned into dramatic works of art. (London Evening Standard)

The Gun Boat. (Pauline’s Pirates & Privateers)

The Pirates Own Book: Through The Victorian Lens. (Pauline’s Pirates & Privateers)

Russia marks 10th anniversary of Kursk sub sinking. (Associated Press) More. More.

Date set for closing of USS Olympia. (Philly.com)

Centennial of Naval Aviation: The “N” in CVN. (The Year in Defense)

The Third World War – North German plain or Fulda Gap? (Daly History Blog)

Danish Navy Celebrates 500th Anniversary. (Grog News)

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HMS Albion Deploys Royal Marine Assault Craft off North Carolina. Photographer: LA(Phot) Gregg Macready. Crown Copyright.

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  1. September 24, 2014 7:01 pm

    Write more, thats all I have to say. Literally, it seems as though
    you relied on the video to make your point. You definitely know what youre
    talking about, why throw away your intelligence on just posting videos to your blog when you could be giving us something
    enlightening to read?

  2. Hudson permalink
    August 17, 2010 5:48 pm

    Chuck Hill,

    Yipes! You’re right. It’s still out there. I’d better leave before dark and ‘Night At The Museum’ comes on.

  3. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 17, 2010 3:42 pm

    Hudson, you know this one is still out there:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu%C3%A1scar_%28ship%29

    I think the modern ships best strategy would be to engage at long range and loft a round through the roof of the turret. But a torpedo would be the best solution.

  4. Hudson permalink
    August 17, 2010 1:05 pm

    Chuck Hill,

    But if we’re talking about the 3,455 ton USS Miantonomoh (the names become increasingly unpronounceable), with two turrets mounting twin 15″ guns, we’re talking about a different bowl of clam chowder. Even at low velocity, a 440 lbs. ball would wreck crippling damage to the vitals of the much smaller river monitor. The only hope of the Rom monitor against the thick armor of the Union ship would be to get shells inside the turret through the gun ports, which would be heavily obscured by smoke.

    Still, your point about more modern guns is well taken. I am perhaps overly fond of sending older ships into future missions for which they were not designed.

  5. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 17, 2010 3:14 am

    Hudson, since the 11″ Dahlgren solid shot only weighed 166 pounds and was propelled by only 20 pounds of black powder, the more modern 120 mm almost certainly has more muzzle energy, in addition to having better metallurgy and projectile shape and firing at least 20 rounds for every one the Dahlgren fires, so you might want to rethink that.

  6. Hudson permalink
    August 17, 2010 1:06 am

    Chuck Hill,

    Thanks. The gloss makes it clear that international rivalry was the impetus behind the river monitors. So there is not only a book (of the early days), but a cardboard game requiring pdf files and special scissors: “Of prime importance is the right scissors. You need a barber shears with a serrated blade.” Not your average X-Box fare. Strange territory, strange game.

    Except for the coastal battleships, I don’t think any of these monitors could have stood up to the Union monitors with their heavier guns and armor, in confined waters. USS Monitor, the baby of the lot, weighed 1,000 tons, twice that of the Soviet and Romanian breed of the pre- and WWII variety. The Union ships would have been nattered by the higher rate of fire from the more modern ships. One good blast from 11″ or 15″ guns would have stove the Roms in.

    I’m just sayin’…

  7. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 16, 2010 11:52 pm

    A little background info here:

    http://www.avalanchepress.com/RomanianFlotilla.php

  8. Hudson permalink
    August 16, 2010 5:10 pm

    D.E.R.,

    Thanks. What you say makes sense. I’m guessing there is an interesting history of these river monitors, whoever would pick through the files to write it.

  9. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 16, 2010 2:34 pm

    Hudson,

    There are two pictures of one those Romanian monitors cruising Black Sea coastal waters in an MP.net photo thread for this past weekend. So, they do appear capable of some sea-going operations.

    Given the Danube River trade and also the presence of armed smuggling groups, then having riverine patrol craft capable of engaging in direct fire combat seems like a good enough reason to build such vessels. Then, too – the former Yugoslavia was fragmenting on Romania’s western border during the ’90s and that may have served as a genesis for the construction of some of these powerful riverine forces.

  10. elgatoso permalink
    August 16, 2010 1:28 pm

    Romania have big problems with vampires and werewolf, and for that ,They need heavy firepower

  11. August 16, 2010 12:25 pm

    DER – Yes I did see it and thought it wonderful.

  12. Hudson permalink
    August 16, 2010 10:23 am

    D.E.R.,

    Powerful boats, better armed than many ocean going patrol craft. I wonder what kinds of forces these Romanian boats were intended for, or have done battle with: drug gangs, smugglers, pirates, vampires?

  13. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 15, 2010 6:30 pm

    X,

    Yep…

    Did you examine the concept behind the catamaran aircraft carrier Nibai?

    http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/nibai_f.htm

    This fictional concept does fit in quite well with some of our past New Wars discussions about future carrier designs featuring both catamarans & trimarans.

  14. August 15, 2010 6:03 pm

    There are some wonderful contrivances on that web page. He should post here!!!

  15. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 15, 2010 5:07 pm

    X,

    If you think that you’re presently lost for words, then just start examining the rest of Admiral U. Furashita’s developments… ;-)

  16. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 15, 2010 5:05 pm

    Regarding riverine monitors, the Romanians are still building and deploying them. Note the weapons fit listed below the pictures. Two classes follow (Wikipedia lists four classes, total):

    Mihail Kogalniceanu class large river patrol monitor

    http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-203984-45+-+Mihail+Kogalniceanu

    Others…

    http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-203983-47+-+Lascar+Catargiu

    http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-203977-177+-+Opanez

    http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/myalbum/photo-203979-176+-+Rahova

  17. August 15, 2010 5:00 pm

    I am lost for words……….. :)

  18. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 15, 2010 4:31 pm

    X,

    Reminds me of this…

    AVB Scruyu

    http://www.combinedfleet.com/furashita/scruyu_f.htm

  19. August 14, 2010 6:18 pm

    tangosix said “I had a hard time…finding NEMO.”

    Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. Hudson permalink
    August 14, 2010 6:14 pm

    Interesting ships. I think the Russian navy has some blue pennants as in the picture of 066 in the middle of the links tangosix provided. The turrets look T-54, 55, might have been stabilized, plus 30mm. Maybe a little larger than a Cyclone with a bigger punch. Thanks too to DJF about cannonballs vs. rifled shot. Interesting. The Union built monitors with twin turrets and guns up to 15,” as I recall from reading. That’s serious shooting equipment.

    The original Monitor sank in a storm off of Cape Hatteras, graveyard to many ships. I think the turret was raised and put in a museum down South? There is a bronze statue to John Ericsson, Swedish inventor of USS Monitor, holding a model of his design, in Battery Park at the southern tip of Manhattan. The park also contains concrete slabs with the names of merchant seaman lost in WWII, and a large crushed metal sphere sculpture that stood in the plaza at the WTC, a block north, along with a pool and fountain. Was there a fountain? I have to think. In warm weather, I sometimes ate lunch in that plaza.

  21. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 14, 2010 4:48 pm

    TangoSix, thanks, whose were those that appeared to have Soviet weapons?

  22. August 14, 2010 4:16 pm

    Hello X,

    just for you,AMOS:

    NEMO:

    I had a hard time…finding NEMO.

    tangosix.

  23. August 14, 2010 4:08 pm

    Hello,

    Hudson and Chuck Hill may find this interesting:

    tangosix.

  24. August 14, 2010 4:00 pm

    Shouldn’t somebody post a link to CB90 with AMOS?

    Or that Finnish one whose name escapes me.

  25. Jacob permalink
    August 14, 2010 3:24 pm

    That’s a pretty cool paint job….it’s not meant for combat operations though, is it?

  26. DJF permalink
    August 14, 2010 2:02 pm

    Rifled cannons during the Civil War period were lower velocity then smoothbores. They shot farther but that is because the projectiles had greater mass in relation to wind resistance then round shot but at shorter ranges the smoothbores were higher velocity. Even the British at that time went back to using their 68 pounder 95 cwt smoothbores instead of their new rifled breach loaders because the smoothbores were better at penetrating armor especially at the short range where they actually had a chance of hitting a moving ship.

  27. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 14, 2010 12:52 pm

    Russians used river monitors with tank turrets during WWII.

  28. Hudson permalink
    August 14, 2010 11:07 am

    In re-reading about the USS Monitor, I came across this unusual fact: the turret was actually still rotating when the two guns were fired! The turret was equipped with heavy iron shutters to cover the gun ports while the crew re-loaded. Apparently, they didn’t work well, and the crew developed the habit of simply rotating the turret away from the enemy while the crew reloaded the 11″ Dahlgrens. But the turret lacked an effective braking mechanism, so that in its epic battle with CSA Virginia, the turret was still moving, however slowly, when the gunner pulled the lanyard.

    I wonder at what point in naval history this problem was corrected, if ever. And another thing, why was this historic ship not equipped with rifles instead of smoothbore cannon? Wouldn’t rifled shells have had greater penetrating power than cannon balls? Other Union ironclads had a mix of smoothbores and Parrot rifles. Maybe it was all about the Gestalt of roundness: round turret, round cannon balls, coming ’round the bend to face its rival in the first great battle of ironclads in naval history.

  29. Hudson permalink
    August 14, 2010 10:45 am

    In reading through the sea links, DDG-1000, the inkblot destroyer, I came across this incredible passage from Scoopdeck:

    “It will include a first-of-its-kind ballast system (giving the ship both a standard and a “battle displacement”) that enables it to sink under the water and theoretically reduce its visibility to radar. ”

    It seems to me that the first time I read this passage, yesterday, it included the intelligence that the change in ballast will be no more than 2 or 3″. That’s the trouble with online sources, they can be edited while you sleep.

    Anyway, it lent credence to one of my pet ideas, which is to build a small shore bombardment vessel along the lines of the USS Monitor. I would borrow turrets from M1A1 tanks snoozing in tank parks. They would be the “cheese box” on my raft. In the hull down position, Monitor(X) would have about one foot of freeboard like the original, and thus present a very small target, not even a pilot house as in the original. In the hull up position, the boat would gain several feet of freeboard and thus be more seaworthy. The 120mm smoothbore would be equipped with beehive rounds to defend against ATMs, and maybe a rudimentary radar EWS.

    It’s not a silly idea, merely an unlikely one, though tank turrets on boats have been tried before. This one would be fully stabilized.

  30. August 14, 2010 5:25 am

    In practice you can compare most things to most things. But it all depends how far inshore you intend marines to go. I have spent a good amount of time looking at “helicopter warfare” and the more I look the less I like.

  31. August 13, 2010 4:54 pm

    X, can you really compare a helicopter to a hovercraft?

    I covered hovercraft a while ago

    http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/2010/05/fdr-littoral-2/

    Good to see India have added to Griffons export list

  32. Juramentado permalink
    August 13, 2010 2:23 pm

    Re: UK blocking sanctions against pirates

    This is the first overt article I have read in a long while that actually names the 600lbs Gorilla in the room. More observant folks than myself have written for several years now that the shipping industry is mercenary enough to just keep paying ransoms rather than back stronger punitive and preventative measures against piracy. It’s very sad in a way, but also coldly logical. For as long as cargos and crews (note the order I have written) are released promptly upon payment, the industry will bear it as the cost of doing business. Even increased premiums don’t matter after a while – as the CIWAG Conference at the US NWC the other month noted, the shipping industry will always price risk accordingly.

    I guess the big question we should really be asking is – why are we still down there? Would a significant reduction in force levels change the story for the worse?

  33. Bill permalink
    August 13, 2010 1:24 pm

    Good vid, X.

  34. August 13, 2010 12:15 pm

    Nice YouTube vid’ here from Griffon; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6EzSJP4PTA

    £4.5million to move 84 pax compared with nearly £40million to move 32 pax (Merlin.)

  35. August 13, 2010 11:42 am

    It is a shame that the RN/RM/Their Lordships have never found a use for Griffon’s larger hovercraft in good numbers. If we were French every amphib’ would be designed around them…..

  36. Bill permalink
    August 13, 2010 11:35 am

    Fantastic good news for Griffon with that Indian CG order for 12 of their largest craft. Takes the sting out of the T-craft cancellation real fast….err..for John and Co anyway. Yrs truly got left high and dry when T-craft went away..(weak pun unintentional..;-))

    Nice transition for them I’m guessing..having recently completed the PASCAT landing craft demonstrator for Qinetic/MOD. Of course it has to help being the ‘last oen standing’ when it comes to being a credible producer of proven and reliable hovercraft products.

  37. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 13, 2010 11:20 am

    The Camo-hornet looks like it was repaired with duct tape.

  38. Bill permalink
    August 13, 2010 10:50 am

    Perhaps I should have been clearer. Forget the quote…its the story lead that makes it garbage:

    ” Iran will mass produce replicas of the Bladerunner 51, often described as the world’s fastest boat,”

    Often described as that by what uninformed moron where?…..its not even remotely close to being the worlds fastest boat and anyone in the marine industry – even salesmen – know that.

  39. Juramentado permalink
    August 13, 2010 10:22 am

    It’s not so much garbage journalism as it is having to quote the source directly. If anything else, it’s clearly rhetoric, but the press can’t obviously take that out of context.

  40. Bill permalink
    August 13, 2010 9:09 am

    “”The Bladerunner is a British ship that holds the world speed record. We got a copy (on which) we made some changes so it can launch missiles and torpedoes,” said Gen. Ali Fadavi of the Revolutionary Guards’ navy.”

    Ugh. Worlds fastest boat my arse. Not even remotely close. Howard Arnesons personal R&D playtoy was larger yet would exceed 200 mph.Heck, the Norwegian Skjold corvettes would blow the things away in a one metter sea.

    Such a piece of garbage ‘journalism’…no wonder people are confused.

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