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August 20, 2010
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The Canadian navy Victoria-class long-range patrol submarine HMCS Corner Brook (SSK 878) arrives at Naval Submarine Base New London for a scheduled port visit.

US Navy

U.S. Navy Leverages DDG-51 Work.

Buying Better Burkes.

Future Navy Submarine to Stick With Nuclear Mission.

Slated U.S. Carrier Visit to Yellow Sea Irks China.

Opinion:Worries over US aircraft carrier overstated.

Automation Fatigue On LCS Class Ships.

Little ship, big job: LCUs offer opportunities.

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Warships of the World

Tensions rising over China’s aircraft carrier quest.

Pentagon: China Bolsters Projection, Anti-Access Systems.

China to Test-Fire New Anti-Ship Missile.

Is a DF-21 Anti-Ship Missile Possible?

Destroyer to sail to South Atlantic to protect Falklands.

Royal Navy’s Sea Viper missile system hits its target.

HMS Astute: Relic or Revolution for the Royal Navy.

New catapults could save Britain’s carrier force.

Taiwan Comes Up Short On Frigates.

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New Wars at Sea

Canadian USVs to imitate fast attack craft.

US judge drops piracy charges against captured Somalis. More. More.

Pirates rob American ship in U.S.-guarded Iraqi waters.

Thai Navy plans Somali mission.

Epic Fail In The Straits Of Hormuz.

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From the Navy Vaults

Venice and the Papacy. (Cog and Galley)

Battle of Cyzicus. (Cog and Galley)

German Naval Airship Division. (War and Game)

Operation ‘Rutter’ and the Second Front. (American Military and Naval History)

Tales from the Cold War. (The Day)

VTOL on a boat. (The Unwanted Blog)

Passing for Lieutenant. (Pauline’s Pirate’s & Privateers)

Books: Morgan, Avery, Teach And The Lafitte Brothers. (Pauline’s Pirate’s & Privateers)

What’s the point of the RAF? (Daly History Blog)

Italian David vs. British Goliath: Decima MAS and the Alexandria Raid. (The Year in Defense)

Efforts in Philadelphia to Save Showpiece Ships. (New York Times)

LST 325 gets ready to set sail. (Evansville Courier & Press)

Old Ironsides: U.S.S. Constitution vs. H.M.S. Guerriere. (Naval History Blog)

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Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Adm. Gary Roughead walks with Chief of the Royal Norwegian Navy Rear Adm. Haakon Bruun-Hanssen after getting underway aboard HNoMS Skudd.

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  1. September 24, 2014 2:08 pm

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  2. Chuck Hill permalink
    August 21, 2010 3:53 am

    I like the Canadian USV exercise idea. It will give us a good idea if we have good counters, or maybe open some eyes that we don’t.

    http://cgblog.org/2010/06/13/guns-vs-the-swarm/

  3. RhodeIslander permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:03 pm

    Here’s a link to the finest sub in any Navy in the World:

    http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=55457

    Too bad it’s homeported way down South in Georgia, instead of up here in New England where it should rightly be located.

  4. Anonymous permalink
    August 20, 2010 6:55 pm

    TangoSix said “Canada has wanted nuclear boats in the past and they are well suited to Canada’s areas of interest.”

    Yes I know. But I think Canada has lost the plot.

    TangoSix said “Regarding Australia,they are planning to spend a very large amout of money on a new class of submarine to replace the Collins,Astute could save them a great deal of trouble.”

    I know this too. And I agree. But I just don’t think a nuclear boat will float(!) with the Australian voter. But at least as I said the Australians are thinking big and pressing on despite their current problems (both technical and personnel.)

  5. Mike Burleson permalink*
    August 20, 2010 6:46 pm

    Tangosix-no problem and don’t mean to nit-pick but ScottB keeps me on my toes on the Warship Costs page!

  6. August 20, 2010 6:41 pm

    Hello,

    it was meant to say Virginia next to the figure of $2,750 Million (£1,774 Million or Euro 2,164 Million)!

    This is what changed the numbers so much:

    http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/GBP/graph120.html

    Regarding Australia,they are planning to spend a very large amout of money on a new class of submarine to replace the Collins,Astute could save them a great deal of trouble:

    http://www.theage.com.au/national/new-submarine-fleet-to-cost-36-billion-20091029-hnp6.html

    It would probably suit them very well with those big oceans down there.
    They would get to avoid all the problems they have had with the Collins class too.

    Canada has wanted nuclear boats in the past and they are well suited to Canada’s areas of interest.

    In both cases the United Kingdom could offer a full support package from training to refit,repair and decommissioning (cutting overheads for everyone involved),perhaps even shipping parts for local assembly.

    India may be more of a security risk but they now have a large economy and can afford first rate kit as the price of their new carrier shows.
    I we won’t sell them nuclear submarines, the Russians are willing to sell them anything they might want.

    tangosix.

  7. August 20, 2010 5:38 pm

    Oh yes! Sorry DER.

  8. August 20, 2010 5:37 pm

    Hello Mike Burleson,

    oops,I have just checked the exchange rates have changes since I last compared those prices.
    The pound Stirling has gone up quite a bit since then.
    That changes things a bit!

    Figures for Barracuda are here:

    http://www.ccomptes.fr/fr/CC/documents/RPA/1_conduite-des-programmes-armement.pdf

    Figures for Astute are here:

    http://www.nao.org.uk/idoc.ashx?docId=4ff53a89-6f67-4347-a8a5-b27081741a8e&version=-1

    Figures for Virginia are here:

    http://www.finance.hq.navy.mil/FMB/11pres/SCN_BOOK.pdf

    Those documents suggest Euro 1,453 Million for Barracuda,£1,380 Million (Euro 1,656 Million) for Astute and $2,750 Million (£1,774 Million or Euro 2,164 Million).

    But the Barracuda figures are for 6 boats and the Astute figures just for the first 4.
    Long lead items for the next two Astutes are already contracted and those boats are likely to be a good deal cheaper than the first 4 now all the problems have been worked out.
    If the exchange rates hadn’t changed so much the Astutes would almost certainly have worked out cheaper than the Barracudas.

    Note to self:check exchange rates before opening mouth.

    tangosix.

  9. August 20, 2010 5:37 pm

    Earlier I should have said the security risks of selling Astute would be too much. Corruption is a big problem in the sub-continent.

    I wonder once the Indian programme is in full swing if any Astutes will be going for tour of the Indian Ocean………..

  10. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 20, 2010 5:30 pm

    X said:

    “I didn’t say the Indians were incapable of operating an SSN.”

    I understood that. Instead, I was more offering a comment on the rather steep undesirability of operating three separate forms of technology in a single type of vessel. Acquiring and learning to operate the technologies of SSNs originating from three different sources (Russia, India, UK) would be a training and logistical nightmare.

  11. August 20, 2010 5:05 pm

    Hudson said “I wonder what the terms of the lease are. Is the leasee responsible for all dings, scratches and dents to the vehicle? If the boat fails under battle conditions, can the leasee sue the leasor? Can it sue, additionally,for pain and suffering? Does the leasee need permission from the leasor to use the sub to attack an enemy? Is there a stipulated list of potential enemies agreeable to the leasor? Does the leasee pay any special penalty for attacking the leasor?”

    And this is why you can’t rent a Los Angeles from Hertz for the weekend……. :)

  12. Mike Burleson permalink*
    August 20, 2010 4:47 pm

    Barracuda is $1.3 billion. Sorry.

  13. Mike Burleson permalink*
    August 20, 2010 4:46 pm

    Tangosix wrote “the French Barracuda costs more than the British Astute. Astute is also cheaper than Virginia.”

    Not sure where these figures come from. Even the government lists the first 3 boats costing $2.4 billion (see here, or media summary here). That is the same price as Virginia and the Barracuda’s run $1.3 billion.

  14. Hudson permalink
    August 20, 2010 4:40 pm

    I wonder what the terms of the lease are. Is the leasee responsible for all dings, scratches and dents to the vehicle? If the boat fails under battle conditions, can the leasee sue the leasor? Can it sue, additionally,for pain and suffering? Does the leasee need permission from the leasor to use the sub to attack an enemy? Is there a stipulated list of potential enemies agreeable to the leasor? Does the leasee pay any special penalty for attacking the leasor?

  15. August 20, 2010 4:36 pm

    I didn’t say the Indians were incapable of operating an SSN. And I am aware of Arihant project.

    But look at the Chinese boats and we are dealing with the same level of technology.

  16. D. E. Reddick permalink
    August 20, 2010 3:49 pm

    Well, an Indian Navy crew is now steaming their leased Akula-class SSN homeward bound from Russia. Also, they have built their own SSN/SSBN. I don’t think that they would be all that interested in UK-originated SSN tech.

  17. August 20, 2010 3:34 pm

    TangoSix said “I would like to see Astutes offered for export to Australia,Canada and possibly India.”

    To be honest I don’t there is any potential. Australia despite her navy offering high wages is struggling to crew Collins; plus the Australians are nuclear phobic. (A friend of mine was aboard Invincible on that occasion when the Ozies wouldn’t let her dock!) Canada has had her fingers burned with Upholder (yes I know I said about Barrow’s excellence in a previous comment;) I think SSNs are just too much ship for the limited Canadian imagination (not an Australian problem with LHDs, Aegis in the pipe line.) As for Indian as cheap as Astute is she is still too expensive for the Indians; plus I don’t think FO would put there stamp of approval on the sale as it would upset the Islamic world too much………

  18. August 20, 2010 3:12 pm

    Hello X,

    I think Barrow’s talents are highlighted by something which Kristoffer Pettersen did not mention when he suggested the Royal Navy would be better off with Barracudas than Astutes – the French Barracuda costs more than the British Astute.
    Astute is also cheaper than Virginia.

    I would like to see Astutes offered for export to Australia,Canada and possibly India.

    tangosix.

  19. August 20, 2010 2:32 pm

    Hello Tangosix!!!!

    I have nothing but admiration for BAE Barrow. If the rest of the British shipbuilding industry had been as efficient we would still be in the game. Not just building navy hulls, but building for export which would have earned the Exchequer much needed tax revenue. As I have joked before I am hoping Iran does get the bomb with the next 5 years as it will save the Trident/Vanguard replacement programme. As for gaps in the submarine programme I think an alternative to the Type26 programme would be a class of AIP SSK (that is if Daring could be expanded to 8 hulls and get Merlin.)

    As for cocktail parties well that is just another dimension of the utility of navy vessels!!!!!

    I can say too much against Mr Page this week as I have been RAF bashing and quoting him…….

    Sorry. :(

  20. August 20, 2010 1:56 pm

    Hello X,

    I agree about Astute,it is one of the few recent procurements which seems to be just what we need.
    Unfortunately it was badly affected by the submarine “procurement holiday” following the Vanguards which caused delays and pushed up costs,then there were further delays imposed to balance budgets which added another £400 Million to the Astutes’ costs.

    If anyone other than the Ministry of Defence was managing our submarine procurement these boats would have been in service much earlier at a far lower cost.
    The same applies to many other programmes.

    Regarding “cocktail parties” that is a common and long standing jibe made at the expense of the Royal Navy by members of other services.
    I have no idea who coined the phrase but I would be surprised if it did not predate either Lewis Page or Gina DiNicolo’s usage.
    It is interesting that it is used on both sides of the Atlantic.

    tangosix.

  21. August 20, 2010 1:45 pm

    The only fault I can see with Astute is that for their size there is no VLS for cruise.

    When the programme was begun there was to be a one for one swap with the S and T boats.

    It isn’t BAE/Vickers fault that HMG cut the programme from nearly day one. It is still a major achievement for the UK that we can still build nuclear boats.

    And where is the future history that says the UK will spend the next 50 years chasing tribesmen with AK47s around remote mountain ranges?

    We are the cusp of a “sea grab” for underwater resources. The SSN is today’s capital ship; they have range, speed, endurance, and stealth. If we have to fight South American states for Falklands (even Antarctic) oil it will be at sea. If we have to fight the Russians and Chinese for Arctic oil it will be at sea.

  22. B.Smitty permalink
    August 20, 2010 1:07 pm

    Juramentado ,

    Regardless of the source and originality, I still like the quote. :)

  23. Juramentado permalink
    August 20, 2010 11:44 am

    Humorous Captions for the last photo:

    “So you guys really spent the extra money on that, whatcha-callit, eSS eSS eMM?”

    “My LCS is faster than your Skjold.”
    “Oh, yeah? Pink slips then?”
    “Fine but who’s paying for the gas?”

    Insert your own…

  24. Juramentado permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:47 am

    @B. Smitty – Lewis Page should be keel-hauled, he couldn’t even find two neurons to fire together and come up with his own original skewer. “Cocktail Parties” – he stole that directly from Gina DiNicolo and her sarcastic take on RIMPAC.

  25. B.Smitty permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:23 am

    4 to 6 hours sleep and they’re not even in combat.

  26. B.Smitty permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:22 am

    I like this quote from the article about converting the British CVFs to CATOBAR,

    And an aircraft carrier is, for most kinds of crisis, much more useful than anything else the navy might send. Frigates and destroyers, for instance, are largely limited to holding cocktail parties once they arrive on scene.

  27. Scott B. permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:18 am

    Some interesting tidbits from the LCS article above :

    “Timmons says he only has four to six hours of sleep every 24 to 48 hours. The work cycle on board is grueling but manageable, he says.”

    Tranformational !!!

    “When Freedom exceeds 40 knots, she kicks up a 30-foot high rooster tail that fans out behind her”

    Very stealthy !!!

  28. Scott B. permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:08 am

    An interesting article on LCS that, for some reason, didn’t receive that much attention on the blogosphere :

    Duty Aboard the Littoral Combat Ship: ‘Grueling but Manageable’

  29. Anyone permalink
    August 20, 2010 10:04 am

    See the picture of the Japanese Tanker from last month. An external explosion is not consistent with
    the external damage.

    From that picture an implosion is much more likely (Someone forgot to switched off a pump?).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/world/middleeast/30ship.html?_r=2&src=twt&twt=nytimes

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