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LCS Alternative:Niels Juel class corvette

April 25, 2009

niels-juelThis compact Danish warship is more heavily armed than a USN Perry class frigate (as first commissioned), at less than half the weight. Specifications are:

  • Length-84 meters
  • Weight-1450 tons
  • Draft-4.8 meters
  • Speed-30 knots
  • Complement-110
  • Armament-Harpoon SSM
    Sea Sparrow SAM VLS
    Stinger SAM
    Oto Melara 76 mm gun
    several heavy machine guns and a number of depth charges

Though an older class, their austere hull has allowed for continued updates.

9 Comments leave one →
  1. Mike Burleson permalink
    April 27, 2009 11:47 am

    Right West! I know the military hates the phrase “good enough”, but their way with building exquisite vessels isn’t giving us enough ships, variety of classes for experimentation, or ones that work properly when they finally do enter service.

    Leesea, look what we did with those old gun cruisers after the world war. We adapted them for the missile age, adding about 20 yrs extra of service!

  2. leesea permalink
    April 27, 2009 11:41 am

    Of course its an old design! But many of those electronics & weapons systems can be updated in a newer version.

    A more important capability I think is the addition of stern launch boat ramp and space for spare boat and det onboard?

    I don’t think an ASW system (what is the threat – jihadist subs?), a UAV platform (as opposed to a helo deck) is needed, and higher speed. Those are attributes that the USN needs for coastal combatants right now IMHO.

    Mike’s point is correct, there are plenty of small basic warships that are good examples for the USN to adopt.

  3. west_rhino permalink
    April 27, 2009 11:18 am

    Like the F-16s and -18s you’re advocating Mike, a good hull design with state of the art systems ought to overcome Sven’s objections.

    Ditto several of the USCG designs that bear an ability for meals on wheels that our forces were condmened to under Clinton. Use the Niels Juel class as the flag for a squadron of say 4-6 FPBs or FPBMs for a littorial group with a mothership running a few LAMPS for ASW…

  4. Mike Burleson permalink
    April 26, 2009 10:58 am

    Mistral for LCS Mrs D? But the price is right for an economical amphib.

  5. Mike Burleson permalink
    April 26, 2009 10:57 am

    No argument there about the age Sven, as I mentioned in the post. Just the general concept is very interesting. Like you I lean toward the Sa’ar and Nordic designs for my perfect LCS.

  6. Mrs. Davis permalink
    April 26, 2009 8:14 am


  7. April 26, 2009 7:48 am

    It’s an oversized FAC lacking the “F” of “FAC” and having an outdated armament.

    Its sensors are outdated and easily jammed, and not good enough for proper identification of objects at useful ranges.

    It lacks modern ESM and ECM, even modern decoys.

    There’s no ASW armament to speak of, even the very compact and lightweight ASWS capability of a ASW helicopter wasn’t integrated. That’s unacceptable in face of the SSK threat in littoral waters.

    The control center is badly outdated, it lacks proper datalinks for fleet integration, accommodation standards are not modern and not prepared for hot climate either.

    It lacks a helicopter, the most important tool of modern surface combatants. There’s not even a helipad with provisions for refueling and inspection.

    It’s not armed more heavily than OHPs because it lacks a CIWS, a helicopter with Penguin missiles and LWT and LWT itself.

    No offensive mine countermeasures.

    Sorry, but this ship is a disaster by modern standards.
    Look at the Swedish enlarged Visby corvette designs (1,000+ ts) or the Israeli corvettes if you want a corvette badly.

  8. Mike Burleson permalink
    April 26, 2009 7:32 am

    Firepower is the key in the littorals. they will hit us with everything they’ve got so lets give it back to them as well.

  9. April 26, 2009 7:22 am

    Yup. Lots more useful and relevant than the LCS and Dreadnought nonsense the USN is headed for.

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