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November 6, 2009
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The Australian navy frigate HMAS Toowoomba (FFH 156) is underway near the aircraft carrier USS Nimitz (CVN 68) during coalition maritime operations.

US Navy

 

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to commission USS New York. More. More.

US SSN to exercises with SA Navy.

Can Killer Drones Land on Aircraft Carriers?

Submarine to hitch ride inside giant ship.

Missile threat shifts to Black Sea.

 

Warships of the World

 

Royal Navy cuts: ships as reflection of state might.

Both Royal Navy carriers will take JSF.

HMS Scott takes over Ice Patrol HMS Endurance Antarctica duties.

French carrier to visit Russia in November. More.

8 News Inshore Patrol Vessels for French Coast Guards.

Carrier Viraat to be back in action in a week.

Asia bent on acquiring aircraft carriers. More.

Taiwan says China starts building first aircraft carrier.

Indian Navy to procure five midget submarines.

Japanese Navy conducts third successful Aegis test.

State of the art Chilean OPV visits Punta Arenas.

Israeli AAW Corvettes….final negotiations ?

Australian Opposition questions sub numbers.

 

Tackling Piracy

 

Isreali Navy: 10 times more arms on ship than on Karin-A. More.

Turkey navy commandos seize 5 pirates in Aden Gulf.

43 Somalis rescued by EU warship handed to UNHCR.

Somalia Prime Minister Says Will Crackdown on Piracy.

India expands its Coast Guard.

Norwegian naval units under pirate fire.

Are Somalia’s pirates linked to Al Qaeda?

Autumn Trends in the Pirate War.

More Frigates Sought for EU Somalia Mission.

 

From the Navy Vaults

 

Wood to Steel, a Long Line of Ships Named New York. (NY Times) More.

We will remember them…(Save the Royal Navy)

Poppy Day parade row over Royal Navy standard. (Telegraph and Argus)

U.S. Military Veterans to receive free admission to the USS Hornet Museum. (Sea Waves Magazine)

5 Places to Rediscover the Golden Age of Piracy. (BootsnAll)

History – USCG Destroyers in Prohibition. (Coast Guard Online)

The Submarine pre-WWII; A War-Winning Weapon? Part I. Part 2. (Air, Land, and Sea)

Origins: Special Attack Submarines. (Air, Land, and Sea)

Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine. (Historical Travel)

16 Comments leave one →
  1. Mike Burleson permalink*
    November 10, 2009 3:53 am

    Wow! This has been long coming hasn’t it.

  2. D. E. Reddick permalink
    November 10, 2009 12:19 am

    Well, nothing too surprising here, as it’s simply another North Korean conflict with South Korean naval forces. Reportedly there are no SK casualties while the NK vessel engaged retreated after suffering significant damage.

    Two Koreas in naval clash

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26330662-23109,00.html

    (2nd LD) Koreas clash in naval battle off their west coast: official

    http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2009/11/10/7/0301000000AEN20091110003900315F.HTML

    Here’s a picture of the South Korean corvette Yun Yeong Ha (aka Yoon Youngha class corvette; aka Gumdoksuri class patrol vessel; aka PKX class [Patrol Killer eXperimental]; otherwise, a large FAC) which was engaged in the battle with a North Korean vessel. This ship was named after Lt. Commander Yun who died during a SK-NK naval battle back in 2002.

    http://news.163.com/09/1110/11/5NOMVLK00001121M.html

    And here’s a brief Wikipedia entry for the PKX class type vessel Yoon Youngha (aka Yun Yeong Ha).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumdoksuri_class_patrol_vessel

  3. D. E. Reddick permalink
    November 9, 2009 12:56 pm

    Somali pirates have seized and now hold a weapons smuggling ship. The ship is reportedly an U.A.E. flagged vessel and was transporting munitions to the Somali government.

    Also, another group of Somali pirates attacked a Hong Kong flagged oil tanker 1,000 nautical miles east of Somalia in the Indian Ocean. Although the ship was damaged and suffered from a fire it did escape the pirate attack.

    Somali pirates seize weapons ship, attack tanker

    http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSL9062439

  4. D. E. Reddick permalink
    November 8, 2009 12:40 pm

    Recall the adventures of the MV Arctic Sea? Today EagleSpeak has a link to a large investigative report by The Sunday Times. Sailors from the Arctic Sea were interviewed. Shots were fired aboard the ship and one crewman had his face smashed by rifle stock.

    All in all, it makes for a -still- confusing story. The ship is presently in port at Malta.

    ‘Lost’ cargo ship Arctic Sea gives up its secrets

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6907933.ece

  5. November 7, 2009 5:24 pm

    HMS Scott is one RN I have never been onboard.

    I wonder how they will get on sans helicopter? Again their lordships never get that a thought. I think I am right in saying there is an American tech permanently onboard to look after the sonar.

  6. Chuck Hill permalink
    November 7, 2009 4:24 pm

    Procurement strategies and politics cloud the issue sometimes. Some countries want to sound more formidable so might call a frigate a destroyer or a destroyer a cruiser.

    More common is capability creep. It’s usually easier to justify a new ship as a replacement for an old one, but inevitably the replacement is larger and more capable as when we started making Burkes. At the time they sure looked like cruisers, but they were marketed to Congress as destroyers and so they have remained, and they have raised the bar.

    Japan has special problems in justifying their new construction. They are sensitive to both their own population and their neighbors concerns about the revival of militarism so they tend to minimize their ship classifications. The Osami class which are really small LPHs are listed as LSTs. The Hyuga class, comparable in size to the British Invincible class “through deck cruisers” are rated as destroyers and they are about to start construction of two over 800 ft long 19,500 tons standard and 27,000 ton full load “destroyers.”

  7. November 6, 2009 9:30 pm

    forget Tylenol, I need something stronger…headache has morphed into a migraine…although Chuck Hill gave a great primer….

    still lots of overlap and I guess it really depends on which Navy you’re talking about.

  8. D. E. Reddick permalink
    November 6, 2009 8:53 pm

    Mike,

    A slight correction regarding the MEKO A-200 frigates – they are larger than either LCS design (not under 2000 tons). The South African Navy (SAN) Valour-class is known as the MEKO A-200SAN design and their displacement is 3700 tons and length is 400 feet (121 meters).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valour_class_frigate

  9. Chuck Hill permalink
    November 6, 2009 8:39 pm

    Thoujght you ;might like to add this one.

    http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7016908687?Miami%20Coast%20Guard%20Cutter%20Seizes%20Five%20Tons%20Of%20Cocaine%20During%20October

    This is 1000 ton corvette.

  10. Mike Burleson permalink*
    November 6, 2009 8:34 pm

    Destroyer escorts! And the British called the same size ship in the World War frigates and sloops (the latter being a large corvette). Reaching for the Tylenol now.

    And we see the traditional frigate disappearing in major navies, with such named vessels becoming missile battleships (ha!), like the European Aegis frigates. taking up the mantle the old escort, ASW, general purpose frigates are corvettes like the German MEKO-100 and MEKO 200s, which at around 2000 tons or less are smaller than the LCS.

    Apparently the world navies think the low end blue water escort as obsolete, since the above mentioned corvettes are geared for littoral, Green Water operations. I tend to agree with this assumption:

    https://newwars.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/goodbye-to-the-fighting-frigates/

  11. Chuck Hill permalink
    November 6, 2009 6:21 pm

    To confuse matters, “Destroyer Escorts” a term that originated in WWII and is still used by the Japanese is a frigate.

    Aat one time, the US Navy called their largest destroyer types “Destroyer leaders,” then frigates, then changed the designation to cruiser.

  12. Chuck Hill permalink
    November 6, 2009 6:10 pm

    FACs (Fast Attack Craft), Corvettes, Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers, and battleships are descriptors for the range of surface warships from smallest to largest. There is no firm dividing line between them and over time the perception of what size falls into which category has changed but there are also typically different functions assigned to the different types.

    Patrol Boats and OPVs (Offshore Patrol Vessels) are a parallel continuum of vessels intended primarily for Coast Guard type missions like search and rescue, fisheries patrols, counter smuggling, or protection of off shore assets like oil wells, primarily in peacetime, but frequently with corresponding wartime coastal and harbor defense duties as well.

    LCS or Littoral Combat Ship is an American Navy concept for a new type of vessel with modular add-ons that prepare it for particular missions. Right now those missions are ASuW (Anti-surface warfare) (specifically against swarms of small boats), ASW (Anti-Submarine warfare) (particularly in this case against small conventionally powered submarines lying in wait close to shore), and mine warfare. Most countries would classify it as a frigate.

    Battleships, once the largest class of surface warship, have all disappeared. No navy currently has a “battleship.” Mike has five different types of ships that he sees as having assumed the place of the battleship and refers to them as such, although it drives some of us old timers crazy.

    Cruisers were once multipurpose ships smaller than battleships that were capable of “cruising” the oceans independently. They performed all sorts of functions: scouting and anti-scouting; commerce protection and commerce raiding; and blockade. During and since WWII they have tended to concentrate on AAW (Anti-Aircraft Warfare) and to a lesser extent, ASuW (Anti-Surface Warfare). They were generally regarded as too large for ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) but all American cruisers have ASW capabilities. In size, cruisers range from 500 ft to over 800 feet and from about 8000 tons full load up to about 27000 tons for the Kirov. Functionally they have become indistinguishable from destroyers.

    Destroyers are general purpose ships. Typically they do it all, AAW, ASW, and ASuW. In size they range from about 400 ft up to 600 feet and from 4000 tons to 10000 tons full load.

    Frigates nominally smaller than destroyers but some are growing large enough to overlap destroyers in size. Because they are smaller than destroyers they are frequently specialized in function. While they usually will be able to do all three functions (AAW, ASW, ASuW) to a degree, they typically specialize in ASW. They are typically 300 to 500 feet in length and displace 2,000 to 6,500 tons full load.

    Corvettes are nominally smaller than frigates. In most case their strength is in ASuW, but some are ASW specialists. They range from about 200 to 350 feet and 500 to 3,000 tons full load.

    FACs-motor torpedo boats, motor gun boats, and missile boats are typically less than 200 feet long and less than 500 tons full load. Most are used exclusively for ASuW. In some cases they can do some ASW, but AAW is usually weak.

    Patrol boats differ from the FACs which may be about the same size in that they are more lightly armed, usually only one 20 to 76 mm gun and some machine guns. They sacrifice speed for sea keeping and endurance. They are typically less than 150 feet in length and less than 400 tons full load.

    An OPV is larger than a patrol boat, it does much of its work by small boat sending an boarding party to inspect vessels it finds interesting to determine what they are doing, so boat handling capability is important. All but the smallest generally have some facility for helicopters. Comparable in size to a corvette or frigate, speed is generally lower and endurance greater. Economy of operation is important so crews may be relatively small and generally they cruise on diesels although some have gas turbines for dash speed. Some are built to merchant rather than warship standards. Hull forms are also optimized for sea keeping rather than speed. They range in size from about 500 tons to 4,500 tons in the case of the new National Security Cutter.

  13. Hudson permalink
    November 6, 2009 11:33 am

    Solomon, here’s a 2-cent explanation. Inshore patrol (see link to French boats above) and patrol boat seem pretty much the same, basically harbor parol boats. Off Shore Patrol Vessel (OPV)is larger, better armed, with much greater range. See River class or Armindale class for that. Corvettes run from 1000 to 3000 tons, near frigate size and capability, similar to 3,000t LCS. Some corvettes might be better armed than LCS.

  14. Matthew S permalink
    November 6, 2009 11:12 am

    Chilean navy is pretty impressive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_Navy#Order_of_Battle

    2 M class, 2 L class, 3 Type 23 and 1 Type 22 frigates. A lot of types but I think that can be attributed to getting big deals on European fire sales.

  15. Mike Burleson permalink*
    November 6, 2009 7:55 am

    Solomon, don’t forget the new missile cruisers, destroyers, and frigates, most with Aegis or Aegis like weaponry, all performing basically the same function. Or when does an LHA/LHD become a light carrier, or is it an amphibious ship?

    My head hurts!!

  16. November 6, 2009 6:26 am

    I wish someone would give me a 5 cent explanation for the difference between an LCS, an OPV, a Corvette, an Inshore Patrol Ship and a Patrol Boat.

    All are suppose to operate close to shore…all are suppose to carry a nominal boarding party…all are suppose fight pirates…all are fast…all have light armaments …what the heck is the difference??? Size???? We’ve had tanks range from (in the past) 20tons all the way up to 100 tons…I don’t get the classification system.

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